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So in other words, you can't refute what I posted. So it's easier to just shrug it off as being irrelevant, and then go on to use the "everyone knew" or "talk to everyone", since that's much, much more scientific and quantifiable than what I used. Gotcha.

The examples I brought up were examples of goalies who struggled to reach your benchmark for quality goaltending, yet ended up being better than their stats indicated. So I wasn't "cherry picking" stats to fit my point, I picked two examples that directly refute your points. So far, you've given ZERO in the way of factual evidence other than "everyone thinks". That's about as air-tight an argument as me saying that I heard from a friend of a friend that Scotty Bowman believes Parks is good. You can't exactly prove that wrong, either. But it would be an incredibly weak argument for me to make.

How about this one? Mavric Parks has a 2.25 GAA and a .935 save percentage, and is 6-0-1 on the season. Explain why he's not blowing games for Kitchener then. Surely, in 7 starts, his so-called penchant for allowing bad goals should have resulted in numerous Kitchener losses, right?

And I didn't say it's "easier" to play goal on a good team versus a bad team. I said a goalie's stats would reflect the difference in quality of team. Ever notice that the goalies who lead the league in stuff like GAA tend to play on teams that finish high in the standings? Ever notice that goalies who play on bad teams generally have, statistically speaking, the poorer individual stats? That's not a commentary on their ability, but on the fact that if a goalie plays behind a team that allows 200 goals against and finishes first in their conference, he'll have better statistics than a goalie who plays behind a team that allows 300 goals against and finishes dead last in the league.

Out of curiosity, hypothetically speaking, if Beskorowany's save percentage drops below .900 and Kingston finishes with about 60 points (far below expectations of Top-4 in the Conference), is he a bad goalie suddenly too?

Gman0959 wrote:As a follower of the Fronts I'm comfortable knowing that anyone who's opinion does matter thinks the Fronts upgraded there goalkeeping.

I refer you to my post a page or two back, with the paragraph I bolded. My posts were not in any way, shape, or form "Parks is better than Beskorowany". Instead, they were statistical proof to refute these claims that Parks wasn't a good goalie, and was a big reason why the Frontenacs struggled last season. Beskorowany is only part of the discussion because you (and other defenders) insist on shifting the focus of the thread to a Parks versus Beskorowany debate, rather than simply a discussion on the merits of whether or not Parks was a reason for Kingston's struggles last season.

You make it sound like Beskorowany being an upgrade over Parks, and Parks being a good goalie are mutually exclusive. Fact is, both of those can be the case at the same time. Martin Brodeur is widely considered the best goalie in the past decade, but that fact alone doesn't mean that someone like Cam Ward or Marc-Andre Fleury aren't also good goalies. Just because Brodeur would be an "upgrade" over those two, does not also automatically mean those two aren't capable #1 goalies in their own right. The same holds true for the Beskorowany/Parks situation. Just because (for arguments sake) Beskorowany is an upgrade, does not necessarily mean Parks isn't capable in his own right.